by Barbara Van Zoeren LICSW

Janet Surrey, PhD is a clinical psychologist and founding scholar of the Jean Baker Miller Training Institute at the Wellesley Centers for Women. She is on the faculty and board of the Institute for Meditation and Psychotherapy. In 2008 she completed a two and a half year Community Dharma Leader training at Spirit Rock Meditation Center, and is a faculty member of the Relational Insight Meditation program. Jan lives and practices in Newton, Massachusetts.
Barbara spoke to Janet about her personal path with meditation and psychotherapy and her current interest in Insight Dialogue. She will be presenting core concepts of Insight Dialogue at the Buddhist Psychology Lecture series April 7.
Barbara: What drew you to meditation? To psychotherapy? And to the intersection of them both?
Jan: The same thing that drew me to both is a basic truth of my life. So much of my own experience of suffering has been in relationship and also that the potential for healing, liberation and the end of suffering can be through relationship.
Barbara: That's the basis of your life's work.
Jan: Yes. Early on, I saw that clinical practice was relational but the theories and language we had were intra-psychic, analytical, self -centered.
I had lived through the women's movement and I was critical of the theories I was receiving in graduate school in the 70's.
In the Stone Center work we started to look at the relational and cultural factors that were part of understanding any kind of suffering.
Barbara: So did you start as a meditator or a psychologist?
Jan: I started as a psychologist. I was always interested in investigating suffering and the end of suffering.
I did an internship and a post -doc at McLean Hospital and soon after began to meditate with Larry Rosenberg.
I remember the very moment of trying to decide whether to continue analytic training and deciding that the cushion would be the way to go.
I didn't understand all the ramifications at that moment but I knew what was right for me at the time.
Barbara: You knew your truth then.
Jan: Yes. The relational practice that we were beginning to write about, the movement to a more contextual relational perspective, a more experiential, moment to moment, present moment practice in therapy was at the core and could be called relational mindfulness.
Barbara: Who were your teachers, your influences in this work?
Jan: I had many teachers. One major influence for me was Vimala Thakar.
Vimala's message was that living is the movement of relationship. She taught that the way of being with another is a reflection of one's state of being and also a practice in itself.
In the 90's I began to understand that Buddhist psychology and meditation were the underlying foundations that were being drawn on in relational practice in psychotherapy but weren't being named.
Barbara: Today, where would you say the most exciting work is happening in the intersection between meditation and psychotherapy?
Jan: I see relationality as a huge new field. Harnessing the power of relationship for liberation and awakening. I am in the teacher-training program in Insight Dialogue with Gregory Kramer at the Metta Foundation. Insight Dialogue is directly relevant to the relational aspect of psychotherapy.
Barbara: You will be teaching this in the Buddhist Psychology Lecture next month.
Jan: Yes, it's a way of bringing the tranquil, calm insightful moments of meditation into your interactions with others. By co-meditating, including speaking and listening mindfully, deep insights can arise that are useful in therapy and in all of life.
Barbara: Thank you Jan and I look forward to your teaching in April.